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FSF voting member ascribes blame for russian invasion of Ukraine to, uh, Europe: https://snac.lx.oliva.nom.br/lxo/p/1740529517.639475 (in response to a tankie meme that kind of fails to take into account that the USSR sphere of influence was RATHER A LOT LARGER than Russia is today)
Like fuck WHERE WAS THE WARSAW PACT BORDER ON THIS MAP BEFORE 1990 https://ursal.zone/users/austra_lopiteco/statuses/114064746376798913
The only actual change near Russia's borders since *2004* was as a result of Russia invading Ukraine this is a map that aims to just fucking lie to people
@mjg59 I am starting to get the feeling that this guy is a professional dumbass whose job is to just have bad takes all day (he seems great at it, no notes)
@mjg59 Heaven forbid other European countries be afraid of Russia's imperialism and wanting to make sure they can actually defend themselves. Russia totally proved they don't need that by checks notes proving they do. Hm.
@mjg59 haha apparently Croatia was in NATO in '90?
@tintvrtkovic @mjg59 ... as was the western half of Czechoslovakia. Great map indeed.
@tintvrtkovic @mjg59 While only exiting Yugoslavia in '91. Yeah, it's impressive.
@mjg59 Perhaps so. But I find the analysis of Jeffrey Sachs he did a couple of days ago extremely unsettling. As in: how to fuck did we get here !?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_KEFpuIro
@mjg59 it is also totally factually wrong. All these countries btw. joined nato by their own wish, unlike they were forced to be Warsaw pact members before.
@Nfoonf @mjg59 not sure how easy it is to say "they" joined against their will. The degree to which governments aligned with popular sentiment varied historically from country to country and government to government. One of the reasons it's important today to ensure countries today express clear and transparent democratic decisions and why Trumpism is so dangerous.
@stark @mjg59 nato membership comes with obligations you have to fulfill for help in case of attack through another country that’s not a member.if you look at this map, it is pretty obvious why all these countries decided to join and which country they had in mind. Why does Russia have such a problem with countries getting allies in case of an attack? Why not Austria? Austria has a small military force and is nearly encircled by NATO Countries? I never heard Austria complain.
@mjg59 Yeah, this is one of those times when a single person is so unhinged, I'm just gonna mute the entire domain.
Fucking tankies, man.
@mjg59 Apparently Sweden and Finland joined NATO so hard that the effects travelled backwards in time?
@mjg59 @austra_lopiteco Having visited the House of Terror in Budapest, I can understand why they joined NATO. You would too after what the USSR did to them.
@synfinatic @mjg59
@lxo
Man, they didn't join anything. Obama makes a color revolution there where they burn people alive (search "Nuland fuck EU" or "Odessa massacre") and used the ukrainians as proxy.
Hungary was not Ukraine and the situation in the two republics was not the same. But if the life was a horror, why the 83% ukrainians who voted on USSR referendum, 71,4 voted for maintenance of the soviet republic? Why the life expectancy sinked when the Soviet Union was dismantled?
You can cherry pick many things of the cold war era, but be honest and put side by side anything soviets did, with what americans were doing (civil rights movs repression, MKUltra, violent coups around the world, have you visit the museums? Oh, they don't exist...) and see what horror means.
@mjg59 So many exclamation marks it has to be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mjg59 Also, I love how it has Czech Republic in NATO in 1990, a year in which Czech Republic famously already existed.
i mean, czechia whatever, but CROATIA, in 1990, in NATO, that's something completely else even for a tankie
@mjg59 is lxo short for lixo?
@mjg59 Also a neat trick for Sweden and Finland joining to have caused the invasion of Ukraine, rather than vice versa!
@denisbloodnok @mjg59 all this temporal directionality of causation rubbish is so last century.